Crash ...!!!
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Just lovely
Talking of pork
http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/2009/09/25/529-million-loan-for-al-gores-hybrid-sports-coupe/
"What’s the most laughably outlandish angle of this story?
•That the U.S. Government is loaning Nobel laureate Al Gore and investment bank Kleiner Perkins $529 million to build a car, and -
•It’s a hybrid electric sports model, and -
•It will cost $89,000 a copy, and -
•It will be made in Finland.
We’re also loaning Tesla Motors $465 million to build a $109,000 British electric roadster. That’s almost a cool billion, and it’s going to well-heeled Democratic contributors."

http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/2009/09/25/529-million-loan-for-al-gores-hybrid-sports-coupe/
"What’s the most laughably outlandish angle of this story?
•That the U.S. Government is loaning Nobel laureate Al Gore and investment bank Kleiner Perkins $529 million to build a car, and -
•It’s a hybrid electric sports model, and -
•It will cost $89,000 a copy, and -
•It will be made in Finland.
We’re also loaning Tesla Motors $465 million to build a $109,000 British electric roadster. That’s almost a cool billion, and it’s going to well-heeled Democratic contributors."


Zoofer- Number of posts: 4145
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Re: Crash ...!!!
woooo whooooo...
It's just about overrrrrrr...
http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/intel-moves-dow/
It's just about overrrrrrr...
http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/intel-moves-dow/

calmage-

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They haven't dealt with this yet:

It isn't over. With any luck, we've stopped crashing, but we may have to be satisfied with the current situation as the new norm. The US is drowning in unpayable debt, the US dollar is nosediving and they may be about to commit themselves to the rediculous strictures of a new global warming treaty that will initiate a second crash.
Do you hear a fat lady singing????

Dirtman-

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Bah...
to hell with the US....
We have India and China looking our way...
Once we start spreading our trading around to these emerging economies... we won't even care what state the US is in..
to hell with the US....
We have India and China looking our way...
Once we start spreading our trading around to these emerging economies... we won't even care what state the US is in..

calmage-

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The problem is, the US economy is the anchor economy for the whole world. Where do China and India sell most of their products? Right, the US. If the States goes down, the world goes down and it will be a long time for the world economy to recover from that, if it ever can. Remember, the US is the bastion of free enterprise, the economic system that makes our wealth possible. The rest of the world has far too many influential people who love the idea of socialism. Sociallism can work, just as long as there's enough capitalism to subsidise it, but with little or no capitalism and almost all socialism? Ouch! Poverty would be the norm.

Dirtman-

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Don't get your hopes up too soon.
Linky for the rest
Driving Off Another Mortgage Cliff
As a ‘learning experience,' the current recession and its associated housing bust haven't produced many enlightening moments for our policy makers in Washington. Nothing makes that more obvious than the news that delinquencies and foreclosures are rising rapidly among mortgages insured by the Federal Housing Administration, whose reserves have fallen below acceptable levels. The agency's losses, which are almost entirely on loans made after problems with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were already apparent in the current bust, may require (guess what) a new taxpayer bailout.
[...]
Faced with these troubling signs, the FHA is banking on optimistic projections of rising home prices, which would help to clear up problems with its portfolio in the next few years. But as the economist Robert Shiller observed last week in a New York Times column, a recent uptick in home prices could represent little more than a new wave of short-term speculative buying, what Shiller called "short-run price volatility" that may well be just the equivalent of a brief bear-market rally. If housing market bears are correct, prices could start declining again, and the FHA would be in for a mess of trouble.
Not surprisingly, FHA's backers in Washington, the very same people who defended Fannie and Freddie when critics warned of their increasingly dangerous lending practices, are quick to accept the optimistic view. [Maxine] Waters proclaimed in recent hearings that, "I am feeling very confident about FHA." This is the same Waters who in 2004 told a Congressional hearing that, "We do not have a crisis at Freddie Mac, and particularly at Fannie Mae."
Linky for the rest

Dirtman-

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Lilke I said, it's a long way from over. We can hope that the crashing has stopped, but signs are not all that favorable.
LINKY
Despite signs of broader economic recovery, number of foreclosure filings hit a record high in the third quarter - a sign the plague is still spreading.
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Despite concerted government-led and lender-supported efforts to prevent foreclosures, the number of filings hit a record high in the third quarter, according to a report issued Thursday.
"They were the worst three months of all time," said Rick Sharga, spokesman for RealtyTrac, an online marketer of foreclosed homes.
During that time, 937,840 homes received a foreclosure letter -- whether a default notice, auction notice or bank repossession, the RealtyTrac report said. That means one in every 136 U.S. homes were in foreclosure, which is a 5% increase from the second quarter and a 23% jump over the third quarter of 2008.
LINKY

Dirtman-

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Of course we're still going to be feeling the fallout of the crash as it works it's way through our global economy.
But..
The mood is shifting...
And that's the crucial ingredient that will fuel a fast recovery.
Once every one changes their thinking that the global economy is OKAY... they will start spending... and off goes the global money engine..
I think these last few years with the global warming scare bullshit... the threat of terrorism.. the money crash... SIDS, swine flu now..
it's all making people believe they should live for today.,.. and live well.
And that's what the global economy needs...
optimism..
But..
The mood is shifting...
And that's the crucial ingredient that will fuel a fast recovery.
Once every one changes their thinking that the global economy is OKAY... they will start spending... and off goes the global money engine..
I think these last few years with the global warming scare bullshit... the threat of terrorism.. the money crash... SIDS, swine flu now..
it's all making people believe they should live for today.,.. and live well.
And that's what the global economy needs...
optimism..

calmage-

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Actually the more appropriate word is "confidence".
But semantics aside, when the stock market goes up it means investors are confident. Since the economic revival requires the average consumer (who is not necessarily an investor) to be confident, it's quite possible that all it means is that the bottom has been reached. Although some would argue that the commercial real estate bubble is just starting to burst, and that also has to be dealt with.
One thing I would be willing to bet real money on is that it will not be a fast recovery. I predict that it will be at least 5 years before the US (home) real estate market starts to turn around, much too late for our lumber industry. Truth be known, the US themselves can supply more than enough of their own lumber requirements at this time. 'They don't need our lumber exports at all. And Cap & Trade will be another crash all by itself.
Don't hold your breath waiting for the return of good times.
But semantics aside, when the stock market goes up it means investors are confident. Since the economic revival requires the average consumer (who is not necessarily an investor) to be confident, it's quite possible that all it means is that the bottom has been reached. Although some would argue that the commercial real estate bubble is just starting to burst, and that also has to be dealt with.
One thing I would be willing to bet real money on is that it will not be a fast recovery. I predict that it will be at least 5 years before the US (home) real estate market starts to turn around, much too late for our lumber industry. Truth be known, the US themselves can supply more than enough of their own lumber requirements at this time. 'They don't need our lumber exports at all. And Cap & Trade will be another crash all by itself.
Don't hold your breath waiting for the return of good times.

Dirtman-

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ACORN was cut off for a month only. They will resume their lending habits a stim money will resume.
Obama has surrounded himself with fruitcakes. Jerk Tsars accountable only to him.
Obama has surrounded himself with fruitcakes. Jerk Tsars accountable only to him.

Zoofer- Number of posts: 4145
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I was going to work till 80 anyway...
But... it's a pretty harsh reality for those thinking they should retire at 55 like all those financial companies have led us to believe...
http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/26/downsized-dreams/
But... it's a pretty harsh reality for those thinking they should retire at 55 like all those financial companies have led us to believe...
http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/26/downsized-dreams/

calmage-

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Another perspective on the reality of things and one whose perspective I totally get..
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/closetohome/view/?utm_campaign=viewpage&utm_medium=toparea&utm_source=toparea
It would be bad enough to realize one's retirement plans have just been shot to shit due to the crash...
And entirely another that one's life has been completely blasted to smithereens permanently.
Our way of rampant consumerism has done this to us.
In reality.. one can live on very little if only spending on basic needs.
It;s the "wants" and :"dreams" that are killing us financially.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/closetohome/view/?utm_campaign=viewpage&utm_medium=toparea&utm_source=toparea
It would be bad enough to realize one's retirement plans have just been shot to shit due to the crash...
And entirely another that one's life has been completely blasted to smithereens permanently.
Our way of rampant consumerism has done this to us.
In reality.. one can live on very little if only spending on basic needs.
It;s the "wants" and :"dreams" that are killing us financially.

calmage-

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Teflon Bill. Nothing sticks to him.
Terror Front Behind Biggest Counterterrorism Seizures in U.S. history (Skyscraper, 4 Mosques) Gave Dirty Money to Bill Clinton...
http://bit.ly/1Q3hKu

http://bit.ly/1Q3hKu


Zoofer- Number of posts: 4145
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Bill and Hill are a dirty dirty couple...
http://www.clintonmemoriallibrary.com/clintcrimefamily.html
and many many more links...
http://www.zpub.com/un/un-bc.html
I hope us in the west grab a few brains and ferret out all the organizationson our soil that are sponsoring and supporting terrorist activity against US. What a crock of poo it is that our money is making terror possible.
http://www.clintonmemoriallibrary.com/clintcrimefamily.html
and many many more links...
http://www.zpub.com/un/un-bc.html
I hope us in the west grab a few brains and ferret out all the organizationson our soil that are sponsoring and supporting terrorist activity against US. What a crock of poo it is that our money is making terror possible.

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